> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Kemp [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 09:52
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Cflowd vs Netflow vs ....
> We are currently in the process of spec'ing,
> designing and implementing and box to collect,
> measure and analyse our network traffic.
> I was advocating the use of cflowd and related
> utils for this project, but a couple of other
> network engineers has raised a concern with
> "the summarisation that cflowd performs".
> Another consequence of this summaristaion is that
> "cflowd was considered deficient as it throws
> away too much data".
> I was wondering if others on the list could comment
> on these issues, explain if they can be worked around
> and possibly suggest alternative products.
> Andrew Kemp
I think the answer to whether or not cflowd would be suitable can be found
by answering the question "does cflowd provide the data required?". As I
see it, it is indeed true that information is lost when the Netflow Exports
are stored in the ARTS files as used by cflowd. For example, I can look at
IP to IP traffic flows using artsnets. I can look at AS to AS flows with
artsases. There is no way however to look at IP to IP traffic for flows
originating in a particular AS. The limitations essentially come into play
when you want to combine restrictions on different aspects of the flows.
Another example would be combining the tcp/udp port number with AS
infonrmation. If I want to look at AS to AS flows for traffic originating
or destined for port 80, I can't. Strictly speaking, by using flowwatch I
can get at views based on whatever weird expression I choose to dream up,
but then you're only using a very small part of cflowd, and you're missing
out on all the other good stuff it does. Also the man page recommends
against using flowwatch as it has high overhead and can cause flows to be
missed (on a busy collector presumably).
Other things to be aware of:
1) If you find cflowd will provide what the reporting you require, will it
still do so in one years time? Personal experience has shown that initially
we only used AS to AS flow information. Then we started using the netflows
stats. Recently we have started using flowdump. Essentially the more we
know about our traffic the more we want to find out. All this has happened
over a period of about one year.
2) If it is necessary to record more than what cflowd records, then maybe
it's also worth calculating how much space this will take. I know that if I
tried to record all our Netflow stats it would amount to many many gigabytes
per day. Processing or doing something meaningful with that much data
(especially in real-time) is a challenge to say the least.
Well, just my 2c worth.
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