challenges in Internet simulation & modeling(2) mathematical frameworks to find structure/patterns in traffic a la scott's encouragement to `formalize some of what we (and providers) know' macroscopic as well as microscopic theory of joint spatial/temporal locality spectroscopy, tomography ietf/ippm has been trying for a few years, but without dedicated funding source modeling (for realistic inputs into simulations, models) extract a set of source models from an aggregate trace feature extraction problem 10,000 gnutella port numbers are not 10,000 flows ultimate goal: augment libraries of source level models w generation of own calibrate models by evaluating their power for prediction empirically validated simulation of a significant aspect of the Internet already much work in large-scale simulations, but no recognized empirically validated simulation of any signficant piece of the Internet note: large scale means in size as well as # of protocols requires cooperation from providers and vendors to get default and configured parameters of OSes and algorithms. govt could shepherd/foster this cooperation