need for ISP community support o/w just non-starter at best insulting at worst ISPs work way harder than we do most are (after capitalist) libertarian many disagree with us or just think you're reality-detached seriously, talk to some of them ``...insanity in the face of a bunch of war nuts and cops trying to build a regime that can regulate what it's taken us 30 yrs to deregulate (end-to-end free expression independent of media or borders)'' ``.... governments have killed far more people than 'terrorists' or citizens ... public acceptance of the Internet may perhaps mean that we who built it have somewhat of a clue as to how the world should be governed (or not governed, as the case may be)'' ``danger of govt by the clueless, over a place they've never been, using means they don't possess''