know what's on your network (2) not to imply that measuring the Internet in general works can't measure topology effectively in either direction. at any layer. can't track propagation of a bgp update across the Internet so how to build this theory we're so lame for not having -- discouraging to academics can't get router to give you its whole RIB, just FIB (best routes) can't get precise one-way delay from two places on the Internet can't get an hour of packets from the core can't get accurate flow counts from the core can't get anything from the core with real addresses in it can't get topology of core can't get accurate bandwidth or capacity info not even along a path much less per link SNMP just an albatross (enough to inspire telco envy) no 'why' tool: what's causing problem now? privacy/legal issues disincent research result --> meager shadow of careening ecosystem if you're not scared i'm not explaining this right